tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3239670697731442075.post9155077903796810375..comments2024-03-19T13:49:22.046-07:00Comments on Everybody Has A Theology: 憑甚麼相信柴玲的指控?a_seedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15913775973150913065noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3239670697731442075.post-83884884650486575552016-01-25T02:07:07.963-08:002016-01-25T02:07:07.963-08:00A couple of questions for Chai: Are you a born aga...A couple of questions for Chai: Are you a born again or real Christian? Do you fear God? It appears that you do not allow God to be the judge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3239670697731442075.post-80516811780628956412015-03-21T16:03:25.059-07:002015-03-21T16:03:25.059-07:00對了,還有她2011年打電郵告訴人家「我饒恕你」耶~~她是甚麼時候怎麼得到遠志明電郵或電話的?她還曾...對了,還有她2011年打電郵告訴人家「我饒恕你」耶~~她是甚麼時候怎麼得到遠志明電郵或電話的?她還曾經說有人冒過她的名寫公開信哩,後來不說了,不然追究一下那封公開信也很好玩。她到現在還保留著和別人不同的「遠志明版本」,怎麼沒人追究呢!<br /><br />一個過往說很多謊的人,相信她這次沒說謊是需要信心的,特別是發現她有理由說謊--為了證明自己上次的公開信沒說謊嘛:「上次我說曾經被人強暴都饒恕了,那是真的...經過禱告,喏,這是他的名字...」a_seedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15913775973150913065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3239670697731442075.post-38344082386168948662015-03-16T12:09:37.813-07:002015-03-16T12:09:37.813-07:00噢!柴玲去年致王丹的信:「事實證明,5月份在你當廣場總指揮時的觀點和立場是正確的:5月24日在你的主...噢!<a href="http://www.kmtusa.org/20320251053836427880/c607" rel="nofollow">柴玲去年致王丹的信</a>:「事實證明,5月份在你當廣場總指揮時的觀點和立場是正確的:5月24日在你的主持下,高自聯常委會通過了定於5月30日全體學生撤出天安門廣場的決定是正確的。你的觀點認為“這次運動的目的已經基本達到... 可惜的是,當時你的聲音被淹沒 了,他們都批評你是逃跑主義者,從而撤銷了你廣場總指揮的職務,改由我擔任,我就成為了廣場最後一位學生運動的總指揮。 此處我要聲明的是,那時不是我權力欲望膨脹、趁機奪了你的指揮權,而那是美國和香港的意思。我當時也沒有辦法,只能按照他們的意思做。」柴玲應該給大家解釋一下當時她是如何得到「美國和香港的意思」的,把幕後策畫者揪出來!a_seedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15913775973150913065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3239670697731442075.post-20977487602748932232015-03-16T09:50:41.035-07:002015-03-16T09:50:41.035-07:00一點不錯。柴起初要算是六四受害者之一,可是她要說假話來擴大同情面,然後要為自己說的假話開脫,假裝饒恕...一點不錯。柴起初要算是六四受害者之一,可是她要說假話來擴大同情面,然後要為自己說的假話開脫,假裝饒恕劊子手,甚至用作了基督徒來證明自己是真的饒恕了,沒想到需要更多的編造,不然看著還是不對頭.. 這就鬧出個對教會破壞力很大的「柴遠事件」!a_seedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15913775973150913065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3239670697731442075.post-6196356863719049052015-03-13T09:59:10.009-07:002015-03-13T09:59:10.009-07:00From FB discussion, Mrs. Lin:經過了幾個月的思索和探究之後,大概知道為什...From FB discussion, Mrs. Lin:經過了幾個月的思索和探究之後,大概知道為什麼柴玲為什麼要在20年之後翻舊帳抖出遠志明,並且一定要遠志明為強暴的事登報道歉,不能私了了:<br />柴玲於2012 年6月4日發表了一封<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chai-ling/tiananmen-china_b_1565235.html" rel="nofollow">原諒李鵬和鄧小平</a>的英文公開信,引起大眾強烈不滿,並引來天安門母親丁子霖的責難,於2012年6月中旬寫了一封<a href="http://biweekly.hrichina.org/article/1621" rel="nofollow">公開信責備柴玲</a>。不僅針對柴玲饒恕不合宜的事提出指責,更責備柴玲身為學運領袖,不僅沒有幫這些因為六四至今仍遭迫害的人平反,反而罔顧當初的初衷,輕易地饒恕這些劊子手。丁子霖指出,柴玲的整體作法並不符合基督徒的精神。<br />柴玲為了將自己的行為正名化,2014年4月份<a href="http://johnklon.blogspot.com/2014/04/blog-post_23.html" rel="nofollow">回應了丁子霖</a>,為自己的行為辯解,並且將自己饒恕了強暴她的民運忿子作為擋箭牌,意思是她都可以遵守聖經的教誨原諒強暴她的人,她當然可以原諒天安門的劊子手。其用意就是在暗指丁子霖一定要原諒柴玲的這種作法。<br />2014 年4月24日,<a href="http://2newcenturynet.blogspot.com/2014/04/blog-post_7184.html" rel="nofollow">丁子霖公開表示</a>她不能接受柴玲的道歉,柴玲說她不會放棄,會繼續請求原諒。<br />柴玲是在 2012 年11月底到12月初才開始想追究她和遠志明之間的事,之前她是抱著「饒恕」的態度,甚至還在2012年2月份因為看到遠志明的「十字架」受感動,她在公開信裏自述:「2012年2月到3月,我看到“十字架”,受感动,试图以交换书籍和DVD的方式忘记过去;向标杆奔跑,致力於结束一胎化政策;」。<br />但是在面對天安門的母親指責之後。她開始在找她饒恕別人的其它證據藉以堵丁子霖的口。想來想去只有遠志明好下手,於是開始在2012年11月底決定槓上遠志明。<br />2014年6月份是她和遠志明的周徐協調會,她在會中堅持遠志明不能私了要登報道歉。登報道歉的舉動不是出於聖經的教導,所以這個要求是很奇怪的。但是如果要解釋成柴玲是為著自己在2014年4月份的公開信提出證據,證明她「饒恕的力量」, 為自己饒恕天安門的劊子手作完美的詮釋,是完全說得通的。<br />可惜所有的演員都沒有配合演出,柴玲情勢所逼,只好讓事情越演越烈。<br />這也是為什麼柴玲指控遠志明的公開信中,要硬梆梆地把一些屬靈高調--假饒恕, 和墮胎的論調扯進來的緣故。柴玲第一封公開信可以說是柴玲致丁子霖的公開信的續集。裏面提到的重點幾乎都是一樣的。a_seedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15913775973150913065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3239670697731442075.post-27769954747133452302015-03-12T22:33:32.646-07:002015-03-12T22:33:32.646-07:00Thank you for the good question! 柴第4封公開信:「教會裡可能有74...Thank you for the good question! 柴第4封公開信:「教會裡可能有74%的姐妹受過性強暴,86%的有過墮胎,30%—90%的有過或還有家暴,等等,牧者教會兄弟姐妹們的責任是什麼那?神對牧者的要求是什麼哪?」 你們說柴玲的數據是從哪裡來的?18位牧師知道?a_seedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15913775973150913065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3239670697731442075.post-63986152836175392462015-03-12T17:56:40.370-07:002015-03-12T17:56:40.370-07:00We all know these stories and some chose to disbel...We all know these stories and some chose to disbelieve them.<br />If you followed the Chai Ling - Carma controversy six years ago, you would have been fully vetted on this. But it really doesn't have much bearing on current discussion.<br />My point is that your arguments should be more based on the contradictory between her open letters and those with the background.<br />For example, in 1990 video tape players were still relatively expensive and were not seen in many Chinese students' apartment. Whose did they use? Since she just moved in and even didn't have phone connected (according to her own account), where on earth did that thing come from? Y carried one?<br />In her 4th open letter, she claimed 74% of women in church are rape victim? Who gave her this idea? Her elder, or pastor?<br />If you read her memoir, you would know two things: She claimed being drugged (not sure whether being raped) by a fellow student; She claimed being victim of domestic violence of her ex-husband during Princeton period and she reported it the school's councilor. It's free download on her own book website.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3239670697731442075.post-51518793750317423032015-03-12T13:46:10.758-07:002015-03-12T13:46:10.758-07:00關於柴玲傳達趙紫陽「希望學生能留下來堅持到天亮」的話,記者採訪時特別問了柴玲:聽到趙紫陽的消息沒有?...關於柴玲傳達趙紫陽「希望學生能留下來堅持到天亮」的話,記者採訪時特別問了柴玲:聽到趙紫陽的消息沒有?(不清)答:這個沒有,都沒有消息。只是知道趙紫陽可能是被罷免了。而且他的親信倒了四百多個什麼的...<br /><br />又問:閻明復呢?答:閻明復肯定是要被清洗的,還有秦基偉之類的。鮑彤,我只知道一點。請參看<a href="http://www.64memo.com/b5/8665.htm" rel="nofollow">柴錄音記錄</a>。a_seedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15913775973150913065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3239670697731442075.post-74763197570679715432015-03-12T11:25:44.863-07:002015-03-12T11:25:44.863-07:00As a participant of 6.4 movement with first-hand e...As a participant of 6.4 movement with first-hand experience of CCP brainwashing, I probably have more understanding of people's mentality at that time and knew exactly where that kind of behaviors originated from. (In fact, that's the norm.) However, that doesn't has much bearing on current discussion.<br />Her memoir might have revealed more her own color, although she thought her narrative was glorious. Her six open letters just did the same harm to herself in the objective eyes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com